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Ida Rolf Audio Tape Transcript AUDIO FILE Tape A4 Side 2 MP3 File (aprox. 10.6MB) TRANSCRIPT (0:24 student) Don’t panic… (0:30 student) Evaluate what’s happening (0:32) You see, I think the time to take this sort of discussion of this after Hal and the rest of you people have had more experience, not you three of course, but right now to just dump a lot of information on the top of him, he’s got so much going right now anyhow (0:55 student) We’ve managed to dump information that’s probably scares [ ] body (1:00) It’s important that you know this. These things happen! These things happen (1:13) If you’ve done your work properly, you see, if you get through that 1st hour that body has raised itself from here to here. I’ll also tell you that the good lord seems to have a special viewer that takes care of us. Many, many times people would say, “Can you help so and so?” and I say, “Yes I’m sure I can.” And they get busy, and I try to get so and so coming into me, and so and so absolutely refuses to have anything to do with it, and 6 months after, so and so is dead. And so, I never urge them. Unless they have the urge to come in, I never urge them. I say there is some other map that they are following. And maybe I’m just as happy not to be on that map. (1:59 student) Law of the Tao (2:03) Actually, most of you people who have no professional letters after your name, shouldn’t be dealing with really elderly people. You should be working with young people, the growth center type of situation. And try to steer off the elderly or the very sick or the people who say, “I have diabetes,” or “I have this that and the other thing.” Steer it off to some one of the increasing number of people that are coming in now with the kind of licenses where they can practice, and then have to be perfect (2:52 student) License to being perfect (2:54) Ok. Now. Would you suppose that putting on a head would influence a person’s carriage and a person’s movement? Of course you know it. You’ve seen it (3:10 student) Look in a mirror. (3:15) And it is for this reason that I want to get those two before 7 and after 7 walking pictures available today, and then there is a before 8th and an after 8th. It’s too bad we don’t have a before 7 and after 7 of the same man, to see what is going to happen. (3:33 student) We can on Hector… (Tape Break) (3:40) (Daily business …) (5:48) Ok, so let’s get back. Fritz will you repeat your sentence please. the 8th hour (5:50 student) I think the 8th hour is a time to sit back and look at what is happening, and divorce yourself from the recipe for the moment of what you’ve been doing, and just see where you’ve come, what’s happened to the body, and where it still seems to not fit. Which will be in terms either of the pelvis and lower extremities, or in terms of the chest girdle and the neck; the upper and lower half of the bodies which don’t-, one will seem-, you see the relationship between the two. Then to feel which of the areas, is not necessarily the most troubled, but which of the areas is keeping the system from flowing more on a whole. (7:00 student) I was noticing yesterday that nobody started on the top; all work was done below the waist (7:05 student) My feeling is that in most people that would be in here - I don’t know. I haven’t seen enough of the 7 hour people done – my [satis-feeling] that the pelvic relationship is the basic relationship in the body. So I think in the majority of people would be in this area. The visual is other people wouldn’t be; people who have gone through life like this, some [anphasema]- (7:28) Wait a minute. Somebody has gone through life like that, what happens? (7:35 student) As Don said, I’m responding to Don’s question that most people started with the pelvis, and my reaction – (7:40) That’s right, most people do in the 8th hour. About 3 out of 4 (7:43 student) My reaction was that this is where most people would be in trouble, when I visualize people that do need to be started [in the chest] (7:51) Yea. And actually as I say the ratio is perhaps 1out of 4, and if we haven’t seen it in this class. Maybe well see it among our models today (8:02) That was my remark, I didn’t see it yesterday, and what happens (8:03) That’s right you didn’t see it yesterday, and I was sorry about that, this is why I was trying to sell somebody the idea that somebody around here could get a top hour. They wouldn’t buy the idea. It was just as well I think (8:16 student) So why don’t you come at noon tomorrow? (laughing) (8:40 student) Walking with your knees together. (8:44) No walking with your knees together. Please close the doors (8:55) I don’t know how this place can get so much fun [ ] (9:04) Anyway, yea, that’s the general ratio, and that’s the general way it works, but very often you’ll get people so tied up in the shoulder girdle you see, that you can’t do anything on the hip girdle. I’m not taking you off the hook. You’re doing fine. (9:25 student) I get to thinking there’s no main recipe the 8th hour. I’m having no notes, or few notes speaks more of sensing what needs to be done, rather than following any prescribed approach to the body. (9:43) Look back at some of the things that were going on yesterday. You remember the first 8th hour we had, Eddie was working with me, it was on you, and what I insisted on Eddie’s doing was running his hand over that body, and he insisted on wanting to work up here. And I insisted on his finding where the greatest degree of tension was (10:10 student) Because your hands will tell you more- (10:13) And your eyes (10:14 student) And your eyes, but you can feel a body and feel where it is locking, and you know where it’s locking (10:24) And you see, he said, “Well I thought it was the recipe to begin up here” Now up here is where the two parts are put together. If the two parts-, if the sum of those parts just literally can’t be put together there, there’s no use starting there; it’s a waste of time. And obviously your body was held askew through the ankle work. But this wasn’t true of everybody we saw yesterday. There were more people where we quite [generally] to begin up there, you see. So as I say yesterday, the 8th hour is just too bad, because you have to think; you have to pick your own, do your own, be your own responsibility (11:11` student) I liked your idea of the 8th hour beginning with the total reassembly of the body; up to this point we’ve been taking apart, now it’s the- (11:17) It is, and this is where all of the younger practitioners fall down. They all do an excellent job on taking bodies apart, and they do not know how to put them together. Now one example of that, was what Howell was doing yesterday. He worked and he worked, and he worked and he worked, and he worked and he worked, on Lloyd. And when he got through Lloyd was still lying in pieces all over the bed. And it required very little putting together to take his 3 pieces and put them together, but he didn’t know how to do it. And he doesn’t need to be embarrassed, because I could mention practitioners that have been in the job for years and don’t do any better. (12:05) This is the big, big problem here. This is the key of the situation, this is the floor of what we find we do better. And it’s just too bad when we don’t do it. And it’s the 8th and the 9th and the 10th hours that you’re depending on to do it. But you see, if you don’t see with your eyes, what has to be put in the 8th hour, you’re not going to see with your eyes what has to be put in in the 10th hour either. So that this is really the peak of the difficulty. (12:42) The body doesn’t go there of itself. This is another peak of the difficulty because the myth among manipulators is, and for that matter among psychotherapists is – that is that if you take the thing apart, it’s just automatically alright. If you release the hang-ups, it’s just automatically alright. It isn’t so. (13:15) You have to add to the energy of that body by showing it where it’s going to go. I think it’s probably an energy level thing, that those taken apart bodies don’t have the right level of energy; and they can’t put themselves together, they don’t know how to put themselves together. (13:40) Lloyd’s knees are another example of it. Unless we had that big “do” yesterday on Lloyd’s knees he’d be going off and the day the undertaker gets him, walking with his legs apart. This was the way he’d always walked since he was a baby and first stood on those legs, and he knows nothing else; His tissues know nothing else. And it’s a big job to get them to know something else, but having done it the job is there, it’s done, it’s accomplished (14:13 student) I’d like to make another comment on the 8th hour also, up ‘till now it seems to me we’ve been working in smaller units, smaller segments of the body (14:24) Right (14:25) Now we’re beginning to work with larger masses; to reestablish things to happen. So even though it may be one specific tendon – it can be very specific - it might be locking the whole thing, to sense this once a little bit of work is done here and suddenly the whole area shifts, rather than having to go back and do minut work over the whole area, as things move faster when areas can be freed up. I think large mass’s shift. (14:56) Well, it seems to me, ( I don’t know. You have presented [the curiosity]), (student) [curiosity’s] asked you about the concepts (15:05 student) A kind of brainwashing (15:08) I think he’s gotten rid of his occupational concepts very satisfactorily. He’s been working on that (15:15 student) thank you. I had a severe shaking (15:21) and it seems to me that in the 8th and the 9th and the 10th hour, we are again working with fascia, with those superficial layers of fascia. Not merely the superficial layer, but with those superficial layers of fascia. Not fascia surrounding individual organs, but the fascia that relates the body (15:49) You see again, this is a concept which as far as I know has never been brought out: the fact that the body is related, the organs are related and the body is a whole by its fascia. Far as I know this point has never been brought out. (16:05) Far as I know, nobody’s really used their head on fascia anyway. (16:18) And it seems to me that in this 8th and this 9th and this 10th hour you are literally taking fascia, working with it, putting it together, seeing to it that it’s properly aligned in the right spots, the right [tilt] (16:30 student) I’m beginning to get a concept of this hour more involving molding and forming and work to free up and clean and stuff only where ever it’s something we left behind the last time (16:43) Yea. That’s right. (16:45 student) There’s no more new clearing work, but kind of putting things to right (16:48) right. There’s no new clearing work in any of those last 3 hours, they are integrating hours. And they’re not local area bits, except when, and where, and as, the local area is interfering with your building. (17:13) See, you now begin to change your way of looking; you change your basic premises (17:22) When Al was saying to Eddie yesterday, he likes to work on him because he feels like Giovanna, what he’s really saying is he’s liking to work on a body where the individual bits and pieces have already been worked on . But Eddie’s problem, and probably Giovanna’s and so forth, is that they’ve gone a long, long way, but they’re still hung very drastically here and there. (17:52 student) When Al was working on Eddie’s feet, and I had my hand on Eddie’s shoulder, I could feel every move. (17:57) You could feel every move all the way through. When Eddie opens his mouth and speaks, if you have your hand on him you can feel the vibration of the tone right through the body. And this, I think is what the old occultists and metaphysicians are talking about when they’re talking about the power of the word, because the power of the word is that you are getting a vibration which is going through the entire body when you speak. (18:31) Every breath that you take is exercising - just about literally - every muscle in the body. Does this mean to say that no you shouldn’t go out and play a game once in a while to get some exercise. No, you know, it’s just on a different plane. (18:52) But the point of it is that an individual who has really had good processing, really has [been ours], is operating on just a different level, where he automatically keeps himself in order, to a great extent (19:09 student) Dr. Rolf, one of the more popular criticisms that has come to my attention is, people say, “Well in Rolfing you have something done to you; you are being acted upon.” And a lot of them protest and say, “I want to act upon myself, and open myself up.” Rather than have external – (19:35) If they can’t look at a Rolfing job and see that they’re not being acted upon, they have no eyes in their head. (19:43 student) or if they just missed the concepts of their co-operative place (19:45) They just missed that concept. But they’re doing this very deliberately. This is just another rationalization of the fact that they’ve got no money in their pocket for Rolfing, and so they’re going to downgrade it, or something of this sort. You will find that the financial aspect of this thing lurks in all kinds of corners. But this is still no reason for you to be giving it at $5 dollars an hour. (20:00) This is something that is extremely valuable to anybody at anytime, and there is no good reason why you should be the one who endows them. (20:23) But you’ll find, if you really look at most of those criticisms, you’ll see it coming out of somebody who is unwilling to pay the price. (20:30 student) whatever the price is; whether it’s dollars or - (20:36 student) You see, the part of it is misinformation, also. I know people go to a doctor to be done to, without putting any of their own energy in at all, (and I had never realized this ‘till here but), and I think the Rolfing, the concept, what happens; well you’re worked on. I think, unless they know more this could be a misinformation (20:57) Well this is also true, but you’ll [hear] that they don’t want to hear more (21:00 student) OK That’s something else. (21:02) They don’t want to hear more. This is all part of the barrier. (21:05 student) That’s not fair. I really think that there is the other aspect, of people who, particularly people who have been through Gestalt therapy, where the message is continuously one of, “look you take responsibility for yourself,” and you do – (21:17) Well you do! (21:19 student) Of coarse you do, but I’m saying you have to tell them, you have to show them, so that indeed they are doing it (21:26) Then the fault is the fault of the practitioner who is not communicating (21:32) yea. I agree (21:35) I can’t put words in your mouth. God knows I feed out enough that you can use after , but (21:47) You can’t do 10 hours of Rolfing without the co-operation of that individual. If he’s just going to lie there and be a lump on a log, you’re not going to get it done. (21:58 student) You really can’t start the 1st hour (22:00) well it does start the 1st hour. Have you ever heard or seen me going through the little bit about, “Now get the top of your head up. Now that’s not the top of your head. No. The top of your head is just a little further. There now, that’s good. Now let your waist line come back.” (22:20 student) Even at the beginning when you ask them to breath, he - (22:24) yea. This goes on all the way through. But if it’s going on relatively stably they don’t even realize that what they’re being asked to do is something (22:35 student) Yea. That’s good, because if it’s a smooth session, I mean well done, problem, by the time they get through they don’t realize really how much they’ve accomplished with you (22:44) They don’t realize anything because they’re mentally confused away from the change in circulation in their brain, and this is literally so, and as I say to you before, and as I say again, you must be careful not to get people driving alone for 200 miles for a session. They must bring someone with them to do the driving home. And you must impress on them, and say to the wife who comes in and isn’t going to be allowed to drive a car, “Now you drive the car home.” because under your insistence the guy is gonna let that woman drive that car, and he needs to do that, because on these roads and these long drives, it has very-, this thing, he is confused, he’s tired, everything is going differently. Do you feel any more equipped to deal with that argument, next time you hear it? (23:46 student) Yea. I didn’t particularly feel too unequipped before, I just wanted to ventilate. (23:53) Yea, well ventilating it is a good idea too, but I hear so many of these things ventilating that are really defenses, rationalizations. And I hear people giving those kinds of rationalizations that drastically need the work, and who for some reason are defending against change; they are not willing to get themselves to change. All of these are going on, as you very well know, at an unconscious level, and so they break out all kinds of rationalizations to cover what is basically an unwillingness to change (24:35) I had a guy come to an English class one time; from Marseille France; he came over to London to take that course at the insistent recommendation of one of the Irish practitioners. When he got in that class - he was a great big burly Frenchman, very egotistic, very proud of the work he was doing, he was a licensed osteopath, “C’est moi, c’est moi!” - and he stayed there for exactly 2 days. He couldn’t stand my criticism of his body. And he was, you know, one of these big burly - somewhat like Hal used to be - types, and so certain that this was it; and that I should break that down was just too much. And he just packed his bag and disappeared. And you get that now, had he been around closer - I mean had he been in London or had he been in Ireland - he would have been giving out all of these kind of things when he heard the individual gossip that was going on about what was happening. But he didn’t; he was just talked into it from afar. (25:59 student) You know my experience in psychotherapy, when I run into somebody that’s sent in, or runs into me, and says, “well, I don’t really want to get involved because so and so, and so and so, I accept that as the manifestation that they aren’t ready at the moment to change, or to get involved with change. And my technique at that point usually is to plant some kind of a seed for the future, and I’ll make some comment about, “Well you know, maybe this isn’t the time. Maybe You ought to check what this is doing for you to not change right now; what it’s doing for your life. And usually within sometimes as little as 2 or 3 weeks, but certainly no longer than 6 months, they’ll show up again and say, “You know, you were right. And lets get started, and here’s the money,” and so I don’t push people that put up a real wall of resistance. I think it’s a danger to try and run through that (26:44) Well that’s right, and this kind of defense is the worst of the defenses. That’s the defense that you can’t go by. But the thing that gets me into a sheer fury is when some one of my practitioners comes in with a patient on whom obviously poor Rolfing has been done, and said, “Well, yes I’ve given this girl 20 hours of work, but yes, she really isn’t ready to go on further.” Now this is sheer unadulterated bunk. They’re always ready to move on if you’re doing your proper work. When they’re not ready to move on, just be suspicious that you have overworked some (27:39) Now, this again is one of the reasons why I hesitate to take on women. I know you’re going to hear a lot of criticism of me on this basis, but it’s the women that are doing this every time, because they haven’t the strength to get to the depth where the change has to be made. And so they give me this, “Oh she isn’t ready.” Nonsense “She isn’t ready,” She’s screaming for it. She’s been screaming for it for 12 months. (28:14) And you see, in the beginning those same people will have taken this person on – this is the trap, and this is the bait – they take them on, and what they do for the individual is good, as far as it goes. And then they think that by doing a lot more of the same they’re going to get further, but they’re not (28:38) This is progressive, just as psychotherapy is progressive. And you’ve got to have the ability to take them further if you are going to accept the responsibility for taking them further. If you can’t do a good job for heavens sake, look squarely at the matter and say, “Well, I’ll take these people as far as 10 hours, and then I’ll quite.” (29:00) Because people that are turned out of this class, in general, are able to take them through 10 hours, except as they do not have the strength to get where they’ve got to go. But after that it takes, smart seeing, smart thinking, smart doing. And really not “smart” so much as “further on”. You yourself have to recognize that you are not ready; you’re not seeing further on. And if you think this isn’t responsibility, it is a hard job to see just what your limitation of the moment is (29:48) And you see again, this is 8th hour stuff; putting it together, putting it together. (29:57) Fritz, what more can you add to that 8th hour? (30:04 student) The [ancy] that went through my mind, is I think - I just fell through, I really don’t have too much more to add - is somehow I can see the energy of the practitioner work on a person might shift a little bit at this time from one of the first 8 hours of the bigger, the archeological person going after something, this sort of energy. Then the energy of the last 3 hours, I think the feeling is more of an I would call loving type energy, of a fulfilling type energy; where you’re putting this person back together closer to someplace that’s good for him. And I just see the types of energies a little bit different, and it could be a very beautiful last 3 hours. (30:52) Hector, going back to this responsibility bit; you see the fight that we have in this room, and every other room we’ve been in when we’ve been over this, to get these people to really go into themselves, to be aware of where the top of their head is, to be aware of where their waistline is, to be aware of how they’re using themselves, is this their responsibility, or isn’t it? Are they taking it, or aren’t they? (31:38)You see now, these same people were screaming about responsibility would be the same ones who would be absolutely unwilling to take this responsibility. And you people who are also psychologically sophisticated individuals know that what I’m saying is true. So very often I’m absolutely unwilling to get myself involved in a lot of verbal arguments, because those are the same people that need more psychological opening before they can see this (32:02 student) I think - what I can sense and see - that our technique is the most powerful technique I’ve ever seen - ever - in terms of acting on person. I do act on a person who responds in some way, and I think this type of power is indeed frightening for the client. And in fact some of the practitioners-, I heard one practitioner at least state that they themselves were frightened of the power of the technique, practitioner wise. And I think this is the thing that unbalances people; this is such a strong technique. (32:54) Alright. I agree that there is a certain point to this, and I agree that this also gives me a great deal of terror myself when I see some eager-beaver jump on-, as I have in this room. I have seen a man of-, weighing 190-lbs. just putting his whole weight on somebody. And I’ve been even afraid to scream about pulling him off for fear he’s going to make some miss move. I don’t know how I can take and prepare those men before they get into a 3 weeks long, 6 weeks long class. I would think that they’d get out of it very shortly though. I would hope so. They won’t necessarily (33:42 student) I think that for me, I mean personally, the thing that I see is that if I can keep what I term here, my center, if I can keep myself on balance, and open my vision in a kind of meditative trip, and say, “this way,” then I can really work it out - (33:48) That’s right. If you can keep yourself on balance you wouldn’t do this sort of thing (34:00) I agree that you put your hand on a very soft point with me because I don’t know how to change those people that much that fast. And the man I’m talking about was a man whose life is devoted to teaching meditation. As I say, he put 190lbs. smack on top of somebody’s abdomen, and punches with all his might. I don’t know how you change that. You see it’s just that these individuals still have places where they’re lagging. When I see such a person heading for this classroom in the beginning, I try to say no, and usually I succeed. You don’t know that, you think I never say that. (35:00) But I don’t think that this business of not taking responsibility, I don’t think that that side of the argument is valid. But I do think what you are talking about now is valid, and I don’t think that there’s anyone in this class who isn’t very well, very conscious of that whole bit. It’s the big boys, the big muscular boys who don’t understand their own strength, who are most apt to get into this problem. And it’s the big muscular boys who don’t understand their own strength that we need the most in dealing with other big muscular boys who have to have that amount of strength. (35:50) Yea. [The note picture] for me, the word fear applies because I’m not afraid of the power, but I’m aware of needing to put a throttle on it so that I can turn it up or down as needs be, to not go 100%, because it is a fantastic- (36:05) If you can always be aware of the fact that you have precision in what you are doing, you’ll not overdo I think. You see, it’s when you begin to get emotionally pushed that then you will no longer have precision. And I’ve seen this sort of thing happen in this class. When the subject emotionally pushes the practitioner to the place where he gets good and mad, or he gets an “ I’ll show him” sort of thing going, than you’ve just got to develop to a greater degree of maturity. I don’t know how to get you there, except to put you into these situations. (36:54 student) Well if it’s a comfort to anybody, I have seen physicians in hospitals (37:04) No comfort (37:06)Where the patient suffering from a cardiac arrest, and everybody running around and not quite knowing what to do. Nobody really taking an action, 'cause nobody stops to take the time to think. And this is one the things the last few years; the whole discipline has arisen around this one point; of getting people to stop, think, and then act. And this way people being saved, people who just, you know, just die, you know, people who have been running in a circle (37:38) Well (37:40 student) I was going to say something. I think a really important thing is the feedback to the practitioner from a person who has been worked on before. Now I remember in the January class, Colin working on Stacy, and somewheres along the line Stacy said, “Colin, that’s just more pressure than you need to apply to get the job done.” And so that was really a big insight for Colin. (38:05) Yea, but you see Stacey’s weakness is she never puts enough pressure on to get the job done. (38:07 student) Well I just know yesterday, and I say that through Lloyd, like there was just a-, I mean I just knew it in my body, that all the pressure he was putting on my-, somewheres down my leg to the point where I was immobilized – couldn’t move – wasn’t really necessary to do that work, and I sort of throttled him back a little bit (38:27) Well sometimes your body tells you the truth, and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t know about the incident yesterday, but that has nothing to do with the case. I do know that somebody like Lloyd, who is just learning, is apt to put more [back in those planes] on it. I do know that. But I also know that a person who is a patient can’t always be trusted, because he does all kinds of things to escape from the pressure of change, and the pressure for change. You see the same thing in the psychotherapy work. They’ll give you all kinds of rationalizations as to why he can’t do it, or you can’t do it at this time. Some of them almost sound convincing. So I don’t know the answer to that, but I’m willing to consider it. (39:30) But I do know that if a practitioner is going to listen to a patient, every time a patient says, “It’s too much,” he’s never going to get his job done. He has got to develop his own independent in evaluation of whether it’s too much. If the guy says “It’s too much,” try doing a rapid review of your direction. Aren’t you mashing at this point rather than moving at this point? Shouldn’t you be going up in this point instead of going down at this point? This is very often the answer. And where as you say it’s too much pressure, this isn’t what you mean. What you mean is the pressure is not right. And this is a valuable commentary, if pressure isn’t right I’m not saying keep your mouth shut, I’m saying be careful how you say it, because you want to get the practitioner moving on to a greater awareness of what he should be doing, rather than putting a negative on him of “stop” (40:44) Ok. Is that clearer? (40:51) (daily details) (41:05) my golly, look at the way that man walks. He’s really hangin’ that way… (Tape Break) (41:20 student) - position in function, when you’re talking about - very briefly - about cardiac problems, and you say, when the position is changed you gain a new function, through a change in position. I’ve been trying to see that and you’ve brought it up a number of times, and I can remember when you delivered it (41:55) Now let’s go back to that cardiac business, and when your father was in last week-, is he coming in today? Several people who here, I called their attention, of the people whom I thought would be most perceptive to it - whether you saw it or not I don’t know – saw that those ribs on the left side were just mashed forward. Alright. Now that means that there’s a much greater pressure if not directly on the heart, the adjacent structures which are then transmitting pressure. Isn’t it perfectly obvious that if you release that pressure, you are going to release the [ obvatuity] to establish normalcy? (42:32 student) Yes I agree. What I’m wondering, and what he keeps bringing up himself, is that when there are supposedly three valves which have grown-, or three arteries which the doctor said are clogged, how the changing of position will change the function in this situation. I don’t understand[that’s involved ] (42:53) as far as he is concerned tell him this is the job of God. As far as you are concerned I’m almost inclined to tell you the same thing, except what I am saying to you is that as you sift anything in a living situation other things change in response to it (43:08 student) yea, and I see that, and everything I’ve read says the same-, says that (43:15) All right. All right. As far as he’s concerned, or a man in his general level of thinking, especially if they haven’t had a religious past, show them a religious-, that’s one of the things religion was invented for; to give you an abstraction which takes some of the burden off your own shoulders… (43:36 student) Amen (tape break) (blank) [End] |
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