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Supine Position and the 1^st Law of Rolf

2^nd Hour

3^rd Hour

4^th Hour

Pubococcygeus, Kegel, and other Pelvic Floor Stories

Supine Position and the 1^st Law of Rolf

(0:03 student) – here in the fourth. I was just speculating how we would handle it form here on, but that’s beside the point now. I assume you’ll eventually [get on the proneus muscles]

(0:12) Why are we lying prone at this point? Why do I avoid lying prone like poison?

(0:20) Ever?

(0:22) No, not ever. Ever is a looong, long time

(0:31 student) Well, because what you are trying to accomplish in the 1^st 4 hours is better done in the positions you’re using. That is, first hour you’re lengthening the anterior thorax

(0:42) Well. that isn’t the answer though. Why do I avoid using the prone position Deliberately?

(1:01 student) Possibly that would restrict expansion of the thorax.

(1:07) Nope. Yes?

(1:14 student) It makes sense to me that one of the things we’re working towards is to lengthen and straighten the body. To get the line through the area shoulder, etc., down. So why put the body in a position that will absolutely counter act what we’re trying to do?

(1:24) You’ve got the right idea, only express it better

(1:31 student) Ok. The nose and front of the chest, and crest of the ileum, and the toes would be the things that would be touching that would put the body in a mountain range instead of in a flat plane.

(1:42) That’s absolutely right, but I’d like to have it expressed somewhat like this. You’ve got something to say?

(1:50 student) Yea. A very fine consideration is not to-, is the anteriority of the top of the pelvis. Trying to bring it back, so any forces exerted on the back are bound to accentuate the anteriority rather than moving it in a direction we-

(2:07) That’s right. That’s absolutely right. You will never have anybody come into you and pay you money who hasn’t gotten areas of their spine too anterior. So you want them facing even more anterior? That’s what the chiropractors do, what the osteopaths do. That’s not what you do

(2:25) But I would like you to look at this a little more theoretical framework, and recognize that what you call a spinal column is not a spinal column at all. A column is something which is supported, a weight on top, which is not the function of the spine, as I’ve frequently told you.

(3:02) The spine is a beam that has been upended. And as such it should lie where beams lie; along a surface. And the spine should lie along the dorsal surface. And in a random body, as I said to you before, some part of the spine is always anterior; necessarily so. And you can depend on the aid of gravity, by putting it supine, laying him on his back and gravity will pull the thing where it should go. And the first law of Rolf, as we’ve said facetiously, but the thing is not facetious at all, is to get it where it should go and make it move. This is the fundamental basis on which this operates

(4:20) Get it as near as possible to its ideal position, to the position that is called for by the structure itself, and then insist on its moving. Moving may be many things. It may be the movement of a limb, and what is involved, the various muscular patterns. It may be the movement of respiration. It may be a movement within the spine itself as the tool that you’re working with, with the pelvic lift. You’re working deliberately with the spine itself as a tool.

(5:07) But that is the first law, and it is ever with you. Alright, now go back to what else you were thinking about.

2^nd Hour

(5:23) Well, so. In the first 2 hours you have lengthened initially and superficially the anterior and dorsal aspects of the thorax. And to compensate also for these movements you’ve been connecting the [limbo dorsal hinge], particularly the-

(5:48) To compensate for it now, in addition to it. I mean, you haven’t done it before; It’s not a compensation.

(5:53 student) Well, these initial movements have unbalanced the body

(6:02) these initial things have unbalanced the body, but they have also made much more apparent what is wrong with the body

(6:09 student) that’s right. Which is the-

(6:10) Which is all kinds of problems within the length, within the legs, which is also a lack of length in the back. But it’s not a compensation; it’s an uncovering of what is wrong, to me. Now what you saw with the change in Eric’s legs the other day, now that was a compensation. You changed his back, and his legs had to change in compensation. But the general business of the 2^nd hour is not a compensation, it’s just a-. We start to clean a room, and we don’t get it all done at once. Ok. Keep going.

3^rd Hour

(7:00 student) so examination of the patient then, at the beginning of the 3^rd hour demonstrates-

(7:04) Try calling it the subject. You people here are going to get in trouble when you refer to these people as patients, all of you except those who happen to have licenses that permit you to call them patients. Examination of the subject

(7:30 student) particularly of the frontal aspects of the demonstration, or as uncovers the inscriptions in the sides. So one will look at a midline-

(7:42) right. I like your use of the word uncover; this is precise

(7:51 student) If then, one will put the patient on the side and then later on, on the midline from the shoulder to the femur

(8:04) From the head of the humerus to the head of the femur, yea

(8:15 student) and working down and out of this, freeing the patient from the underlying inscriptions. In the case of a woman who is not used to having work around the shoulders, the best [help] would be in the pelvis, and also in-

(8:41) The crest of the ileum

(8:45 student) The reason the 12^th rib, specifically in women, seems to be a clue to this hour, freeing the-

(8:55) yea. The 12^th rib is certainly rather key, a clue to this hour, the two girdles. But the key to progression is the 12^th rib. I’m going to go with you there. You see the 12^th rib enables you to get further. Do you agree with this, or no? I’m perfectly willing to have disagreement. I mean it’s minor disagreements that bring out-, make it possible to reap the whole story

(9:35 student) No, I don’t-, based on-. Then as you mentioned, the [further movement from the part] is the darning of the shoulder to the thorax, and the pelvis, the pelvic girdle onto the trunk

(10:31) What do you-, how do you think you ‘un-darn’ the pelvic girdle?

(11:03 student) well we’re assuming that in a man that we’ve already un-darned the shoulder from the thorax

(11:07) alright assume that you’ve un-darned the shoulders. Alright

(11:16 student) and then progressing-

(11:20 student) I would assume working along the crest of the ileum would be the clue to that

(11:25) why?

(11:33 student) because of the quadratus lumborum muscle, which connects the-

(11:39) is that the only thing?

(11:40 student) Well, no. probably more basic than that is the connective tissue which has-

(11:51) like what?

(11:56 student) Well, the superficial fascia

(12:00) No

(12:06) Anyone want to pick up here, and give a really clarified picture? Have you ever looked in the anatomy books at-? Leigh that ‘Frazier’, it’s in there somewhere

(12:33 student) All of the obliques attach

(12:35) Sure, everything attaches, but just you see the thing that’s not at all clear in his mind is the fact that the crest of the ileum forms a point of attachment for a whole bunch of stuff, and I would like to get to know that that picture is completely clear in the minds of all of you . That’s not a ‘Frazier’, is it?

(13:01 student) no [ ]

(tape break)

(13:04) – And this will come up. Hector. Do you want to explain, do you want to name for your neighbor some of the things that are literally attached on the crest of the ileum?

(13:25 student) Sure. On the crest of the ileum, of coarse there’s the lumbo-dorsal fascia that attaches, and the external oblique, and the internal oblique muscles – the large muscles that go from the [executor plex] to the chest, and cover the anterior abdomen - the quadratus, and most internally that, is the edge of the iliacus from the inside. So I would say the iliacus-, from the inside out; the iliacus, the quadratus, the internal and external obliques, and the lumbo-dorsal fascia. That’s what I count; 5.

(14:10) That’s right

(14:11 student) what about [Rochester double use]?

(14:14) it doesn’t attach to the crest of the ileum

(14:17 student) The extension of its fascia does though. The lateral-

(14:20) yea, but. Well.

(14:25 student) We did have one more thing. The fascia turns the [gricilis] that goes back too-

(14:29 student) I’m trying to visualize [ ]

(14:34) what I’m trying to make you people visualize is that there are so many different layers, and levels of things, and they all jam down right on that ileum. Now actually you experienced it, but you probably didn’t interpret it. You experienced in when you heard me just yelling at you, “clean off-, get your finger to the bone and move those things around so they differentiate.” And this is what I’m telling you to do. And just going in over that cushion of stuff which is the attachment that’s used by these 6 muscles, is not doing one thing for you. You have got to differentiate the attachments in order to get that pelvis so that is can move within its flesh envelope. It is designed to do that.

(15:30) Did Leigh come in with the Frazier?... Because if that Frazier gets lost I’m sunk with my [writing]…Well we’ll go on and talk instead…

(16:16) And anyway we don’t have the point in question. The number of things that attach on that relatively thin crest of the ileum; You just don’t expect that it’s going to be that way, but this is the way it is. Some of it is just inside the crest.

(16:40) Now it is very important for you people to see that also in that 3^rd hour you’re definitely dealing with the iliacus. You deal with it up at the top, where it attaches quite close to the crest on the inside, and you deal with around-, (did you find it? Good boy) – you deal with it around the anterior superior spine. And the anterior superior spine is as you know one of the most important of all the hang-ups of the pelvis. And that anterior superior spine hang-ups the pelvis from the bottom and it hang-ups the pelvis from the top, and it hang-ups the pelvis period. And this is the reason why before the 4^th hour you start getting into that anterior superior spine, and you start seeing to it that those various things aren’t glued to it. And then you see if you’re really clearing out around the-,

(18:12) there are 5 different muscles there at that anterior superior spine. Let’s see, what are they? The gluteus minimus, the tensor fascialate, the stories, the iliacus, and the quadratus femoris.

(18:25 student) The rectus femoris

(18:27) Well, probably the quadratus is good. And you see all of those can-, this is what I’m talking about when I’m talking about how it gets darned-in, and darned-in is exactly what it gets.

(19:03) Now, all of this is part of the 3^rd hour.

4^th Hour

(19:08) And when we get to the 4^th hour, why are we getting to the 4^th hour, and how?

(19:31) will you take it from here, Don?

(19:37 student) Yea. Now that we’ve worked on the lateral surfaces of the thorax, and for about the same reason now we move down to the legs again to give them more length; the lower extremities

(19:47) for about the same reason?

(19:50 student) as we move from the thorax in hour one to the extremities in hour 2, our-, in the first two hours the patient was supine, now he is again in the 4^th hour as he was in the 3^rd hour, on his side. I’m just sort of drawing a parallel.

(20:10) Yes, I know you are, but what I’m complaining about is that you’re picking up the wrong [lucia]. I’m trying to get you with the whole picture, and what you’re doing is picking up ‘how I do it’. You’re picking up the directions on the box instead of knowing that you’re going to make a cake.

(20:30) Well looking at the person, watching them walk and move, lying on their side, crossing their legs, demonstrates this restriction about the knees and the ankle which needs to be relieved

(20:44) Well even if he doesn’t walk, just as he stands there it’s perfectly obvious, the disparity between the inside and the outside of the leg, the inside and the outside of the body. You can see this shortened body, you can see this shortened line, going all the way up through the middle. I used to put-,

(21:11) Here. Here is what I wanted to show. Pass that along, each of you looking at the crest of the ileum and how and where those things attach.

(21:30) In the old days there were fewer anatomists in the class and more artists. And I used to stand that person up and say, “can you see it is that whole middle line from the crest-, form the top of the head down to the soles of the feet that is short.” And this they could and did see. Nowadays we’re getting into this mechanistic view of things; looking at actual muscles and what it is that’s holding. And sometimes this isn’t as useful. Sometimes what you need to think about is the actual-, is the overall view. This is what I’m complaining about here, I want you to get the overall view as well as ‘how to do it’ stuff.

(22:24) So you’re overall view shows that short line in spite of all you have done. You see hour after hour you have progressed with your overall view. Your first hour is a completely random [fit] pattern, and it goes into an overall pattern of, “now we have a longer front.” And your 2^nd hour comes in with “now we have a longer back, we have to have a longer back.” And the 3^rd hour comes in and says, “well the sides are short. I’ve got to get longer sides.”

(22:47) Every where you are adding length, and always this is a problem. You must add length to get a person out of his misery. Because his misery dates from the fact that the gravitational force is pulling him down, and the point of weakness will be the point he will accommodate to the gravitational force pulling him down and shortening. So everywhere, in order to get him out of this problem, you must lengthen.

(23:26) so then the next question to ask yourself is, “how can I get length for him in this dimension?” so to speak, in this specific direction.

(23:39 student) using your analogy of the tent thing, or the tent pole, getting length in the sides has also given us the thorax off the pelvis to give it freedom and then we spend the whole hour, or almost a full hour freeing this, the crest and the attachments there, [taking] the tendon [along], the next rational move is the corresponding number, which is the opposite ramus, and we have to free that-

(24:05) it’s quite true, but again you’re thinking in terms of mechanism through. And at this particular occasion I happen to be stressing this overall pattern. I want you to get the artistic sense. And what you say is absolutely true, I’m not criticizing

(24:23 student) What I was thinking was in terms of-, not in terms of mechanism, but in terms of the place you’d have to go next to get the freedom, and that’s got to be the ramus

(24:32) you’re right. You’re absolutely right

(24:34 student) I’m not sure which one corresponds with which side. I think it’s the opposite side

(24:37) the opposite side. As I would see it, it would be the opposite side. But you see this becomes so apparent, because now that ramus is compensating for the freedom up here by pulling up on the legs. There’s no give on the inside of the leg yet, so the ramus can’t get what it needs from the inside of the leg. And it has pulled up, so it’s transmitting the [fulcrum] the inside of the leg, and so you get this distortion of the inside of the leg that is the characteristic picture of the 4^th hour. And you get the picture of that thumb screw in the middle, there at the ramus, which is one way of looking at the tightened ramus, you see.

(35:35) We haven’t had any corncobs in this class, have we now?

(25:38 student) Any what?

(25:41) corncobs. Well have to find one of them somewhere

(25:48 student) You don’t mean a pipe?

(25:51) No! I’m talking about the thing you carry between your legs. The guy that walks as though he were carrying a corn cob. And that’s 4^th hour business

(26:10) So, this is how you’ve gotten to the 4^th hour. Now, as Don has called to your attention, there is this tightness in the progression there at the ramus. So now you are going to try to get some freeing of the ramus to allow the ramus to accommodate to the degree of freedom that’s now at the crest of the ileum, or relatively there, that insists on moving and it can’t on account of the ramus. And how do you get greater length and greater freedom at the ramus? And the answer is, you try to get it from the legs, because what is attached on the ramus? The legs; The adductors of the legs.

(27:29) now as you all saw yesterday, that ramus can get very-, the aberrations, the distortions the disorganizations around that ramus can get extremely complicated, and very painful, and just a nuisance in general.

(27:57)And one of the reasons we do better than other schools of manipulation is that we understand, or think we understand, the problems of the ramus. And we not only understand with our heads, but we get in there with our fingers. And we have a man here who will bear witness to the fact that other schools try to avoid this by all kinds of certain locutions, if you like

(28:30 student) a hummingbird

(28:34) Somebody go tell him that we’ve got hummingbird feeder down there. Somebody tell him. I’m just going to get down on my knees and cry if he doesn’t go and use that. Anyway, 4^th hour; hummingbirds.

(28:55 student) It’s a good sign

(28:55) Tis’ a good sign

(28:57 student) the whole morning’s been like that

(29:10) a lift at the ramus [ ]

(29:21) at any rate, visualize this thing. And you need to know, you need to be aware of the fact that you are dealing in areas where other schools don’t deal, don’t go, and you need to realize why this is so. You need to realize that you can get into all kinds of complications with neurotic individuals if you get pretty careless about it, your complications may go from the neurotic individuals to the police. And you may be in quite a mess. But never the less, this is where that body is hung-up, and if you’re going to open that body, that’s where you’ve got to go. And as I said before, and I say it again, this is the basic reason why we manage to do better work than the other schools; Because this is where the hang-up is.

(30:25) Now there are various schools of chiropractic that try to deal with this situation without actually getting to the ramus. Perhaps we’ll discuss what I see as there limitations a little bit further on. I don’t think this is the point.

(30:48) Now. Aside from straightening the legs what is the point of dealing with the ramus?

(31:01 student) To get it underneath-, to get the legs underneath the body

(31:05) Well, this is what Eddie would say, and whose the other, Hal would say

(31:14 student) There are a lot of other things that attach there beside the adductor of the legs that we haven’t talked about yet

(31:19) Ah. [ ]

(31:21 student) [well lets hear a] volunteer

(31:25) You know [what is beyond]

(31:30 student) Yea, well, the-, as a structure, as an entity, the floor of the pelvis hangs on it.

(31:37) Well right. Exactly what I was trying to get you to look at. You’ve got a pelvis, and it’s a very important structure. But is a pelvic bone a structure? No. What keeps the sawdust in? it’s not the pelvic bone. It’s the floor of the pelvis. And on the floor of the pelvis, and on its well being, and on its organization is dependent the entire help of, not merely the reproductive system, not merely the excretory system, but the entire abdominal-, the way the visceral contents of the abdomen are going to be organized depends on the floor of the pelvis.

(32:35) Now don’t put those down in words, but put it down in a mental picture. I don’t say don’t put it down in words, but I mean don’t settle for the thing being in words. But realize that literally, this is literally what keeps the sawdust in

(32:57 student) Women who have vaginal hysterectomies have a lot of trouble with that specifically, because the floor isn’t right after that. ) Women who have bad childbirths.

Pubococcygeus, Kegel, and other Pelvic Floor Stories)

(33:12) Eddie? Would you like to tell the story that you saw last January, of Dr. Kegel? No, you wouldn’t like to, but try it. Have you done the work with Kegel?

(33:26 student) this man came to give a lecture on-

(33:28) Whose this man?

(33:30 student) Dr Kegel. And-

(33:35) What’s his first name?

(33:38 student) George

(33:39) Arnold

(33:42 student) Arnie came-

(33:53) You want to add a little more of an interest and say what he looked like?

(33:56 student) No.

(34:00) He was 5 foot 5, and this was the kind of abdomen he had, this was the kind of front he had. And this was the kind of back he had. But at any rate, let us not laugh at Dr. Kegel. He is a man now of between 75 and 80, and I’m not getting you off the hook!

(34:18 student) it’s given me time to think though

934:22) Ok

(34:25 student) and I don’t remember all the details of what his complete background was, but he became interested in female problems. I think it started mainly with children, and this business of bed-wetting. And he devised some sort of exercise to evoke and tone in the pubococcygeus muscle. And he would have the children or whoever he was working with, every time they urinated keep there legs apart and-

(35:12) keep there knees apart

(35:17 student) Keep there knees apart, alright. And let them urinate, or they would urinate, and then stop the urination; interrupt it. And in the beginning the people would have difficulty in getting this kind of feeling, by keeping the knees apart it would appear to, or evoke this muscle to work rather than other stuff working if the legs were closed. And the more the person would get in touch with this area of themselves, that then they could get that retention of the urine, and when it was working with older women, they got him on the side, they were saying things like, “Gee I can urinate better. I have more control here,” but there is this other side of their sexual life being more fulfilled and giving them more feeling of adequacy, and better relations with their male friends… [ ]. and that these women were feeling so much better about their lives. That the total man, or total woman, was feeling so much better and he started to investigate deeper into the implications of what these people were saying. And here I get fuzzy, but he went back into some of the history of this muscle, and it seems the Egyptians were aware of something going on of this floor of this pelvis collapsing, falling down, loosing shape, some sides being distorted one way, the other side being distorted another way. And this idea of balancing the tones of the whole thing would not only be imbalanced laterally, but also come up. That the Egyptians had some sort of a chair with a hole in the bottom. And they would put hot rocks under the chair and sprinkle some sort of stuff that would spurt up with the cause of contraction of this muscle and evoke-

(37:45 student) the hot seat

(37:47) it’s really discovered a different way of doing it

(37:59 student) He also did some investigation with some island people that, again don’t quote me ‘cause the details aren’t that clear, but that after a women would have child birth there was this technique of putting three fingers in the vagina, and having them contract on the fingers in to a certain point, and the contraction in the first level was usually all right, and as the contraction got deeper in, it became less and less toned. And it was the last level of contraction, which was looking at-, he and these people were trying to evoke, and this was the area where the greatest satisfaction was being received

(39:04 student) you mean-, let me clarify when you say the last level, do you mean the deepest into the vagina, or the last of a series of 3 or 4 [tighter]-

(39:14 student) That’s how I interpreted it. The deepest level of the vagina

(39:28) you’ve done all right Eddie

(39:28 student) I’m getting fuzzy

(39:30) Oh. Good, so am I

(39:32 student) project it out lower

(39:39) there should be one picture in this book that is important, very important, and I haven’t found it yet

(39:53 student) it’s a schematic drawing

(39:54) It’s a schematic drawing. At any rate

(40:02 student) one thing too, if you look at the anatomy books at the attachments of the pubococcygeus muscle, on how it is so spread over the bottom, related to the coccyx, related to the-

(40:20) yea, there is a very beautiful picture of it right over there in that ‘Frazier’. There’s also a schematic drawing of it here. [ ] you see this in all directions. This pubococcygeus so called muscle is an extremely important muscle, but it’s curiously illusive and non-material almost. After death, apparently it disappears, and this has been one of the reasons why it’s function-, it used to be called the levator anus you remember, after death as you [return] to dissect it out, it isn’t there. This probably one of the reasons why this work of Kegel’s waited so long to appear as significant. What Eddie has said is basically the story, but we can, and need to look at this story in a different pattern.

(41:35) As I say, originally this muscle was called the levator anus, and as you recognize, what this is saying is that it raised the anus. And as some of you know there was a-, oh I don’t know how many years ago, 20, 40 years ago, a change-, there was a meeting of anatomists where they agreed to call muscles, to designate muscles in terms of the origin and the insertion. And at that time the levator anus became the pubococcygeus muscle. Now also as I say, this is a very tough diaphragm, but on the other hand it’s thin on the sides, and it isn’t there when you want it, and it is there when you don’t want it, and so forth, and so forth. Now what Kegel found was that when his women were adequate in terms of control of urination and in terms of sexual performance, the relation of the uterus and vagina to this diaphragm was as you see it here. When they were inadequate you get this kind of relationship

(43:18 student) collapsed

(43:20) yea. A lack of tone, which permits the uterus to fall.

(43:37) Now it was from there that this man started to tried to devise-, now here on the tenue of vaginal casts that so intrigued Shutz. [ ] The cast of vaginas of these characteristic uterine positions. Now his approach to it was as Eddie said, an attempt to strengthen the pubococcygeus muscle. And he approached it through the old-fashioned way of, “if I exercise the pubococcygeus muscle, I will get a stronger muscle. So how can I exercise the pubococcygeus muscle?” And at this point I don’t remember the precise fashion in which he got to this. But as Eddie said, he went to the British Museum, and he investigated some of those-, he probably went there by accident investigating Egypt’s papyrus, or one of those others. And what he found was this description of seating a woman on a chez [parset], and then putting hot rocks below it, and spattering fluids, perhaps herbal infusions, or perhaps water on the hot rocks so that they spattered you see. And this spattering of the hot drop up hitting the pubococcygeus muscle made it contract. And this was apparently deliberately used that way in the days of the Egyptians. But he figured he wasn’t going-, did he say if he tried that, tried that chair business Eddie, do you remember?

(45:47 student) I don’t remember

(45:54) I don’t remember. At any rate, he eventually came up with this story of exercising the pubococcygeus by voluntary contraction. And then he was faced with the music of, how can he get these women and children to find out how to get to the pubococcygeus? And then he devised this business of attempting to voluntarily shut off, interrupt, the urinary flow, and some of them of coarse had a very great deal of problem. But at any rate, it directed their attention as to where the muscle was, and how it operated. And his directions were to practice this 1000 times a day, or even as much as 3 thousand times a day. I don’t mean the urination, but when they got a hold of it, you know this contraction of the muscle. And they-, a large percentage, and it says in the book what a large percentage was, and it tells in this book what the percentage was - and they thought of it as being a large percentage, and I thought of it as being an amazingly small percentage - of these women got a very great deal of help. Was it 70%, or was it even smaller? Now of coarse in terms of medical statistics that’s a large percentage. In terms of structural integration statistics, it’s a lousy percentage. Now, why? What happened to the other 30%? And you know the answer.

(47:40 student) I have the fantasy that they weren’t aware enough of that part of their anatomy to be able to control those muscles

(47:47 student) They get stuck down

(47:48) Yea?

(47:49 student) if the muscle is stuck to something, and you’re-

(47:51) Yea, it can’t be that badly stuck, I mean it can’t be stuck enough so that it’s open you see, this is a flaw. but you’re on the way. Who else wants to-?

(48:03 student) The lack of freedom of the pelvic girdle generally, because still maintain disorganization of all the muscles in that area

(48:14) like what?

(48:16 student) Well again, all of your adductors that go in there, which affect all of the muscles in the floor of the pelvis.

(48:22) Yea. That’s the answer all right. You see after all, the thing that determines how that floor is going to lie, is going to be what’s going on at the rami. Now you had enough experience yesterday, and you’re going to have a lot more today, and you’re probably going to see it more clearly today, that rami; sometimes one will be too close to the middle, sometimes the other will be too close to the middle, sometimes they’ll be too far from the middle. One will be up, one will be down, there are all kinds of distortions in there. This can be seen in terms of what goes on at the ishial tuberosity.

(49:26)You can’t have disorganized ishial tuberosity and have organized rami. It’s impossible. So that you have here this structural deviation and imbalance, which makes it impossible to get the floor of the pelvis doing it’s stuff appropriately. The body survives. Yes. It makes it’s way. Yes. Sometimes it makes it very badly, and I suspect that all of you, certainly all of you that are physicians, have come up of the problem of the woman who can’t get up to the bathroom fast enough after childbirth, and sometimes it goes on for a long, long, long time, if not the rest of our life.

(50:30) What happens to the kid that is 9 years old is still wetting the bed at night, soaking it?

(50:38 student) first he gets punished, then he gets shook off, then he gets taken to the doctor, and by the time he gets there he is so sensitized that nobody can do anything with him

(50:47) uh hu. That’s right, but you can

(50:51 student) I haven’t been able to so far

(50:53) You put him down on the bed and get busy

(51:00) years ago, during the 2^nd war, I had brought my 2 kids out here and I was studying under somebody in Los Angeles. And we lived in a funny little house in Monrovia, and still further back in the back yard there was another funny little house inhabited by a family of Mormons, and there were 3 kids or 4 kids there. My youngest were about 10 years old, and there was one 10 years old among these other kids, and then there was 10, and 8, and 6 or something like that. All these kids played together. But one of these Mormon kids would never take his sweater off. Under no circumstance would you ever see him with his torso uncovered. And this also was a kid who, as I got in touch more with the family, I found that this boy was soaking the bed, night after night after night after night. And the mother told me this and I finally said, “well you see if he won’t come in and let me do a little work on him.” And after enough persuasion this kid did, and I found out why he wouldn’t take his sweater off. And the answer was that he was just funny. I mean his whole sternum was depressed. And it was just as though a horse had kicked him and knocked the whole sternum deep.

(52:40) And it only took about 2 hours of work - and in those days I wasn’t near as good as I am now, believe it - to get that sternum out, and that was all that was necessary to get that whole body operational again. [ ] What has that to do with that floor of the pelvis? I don’t know, but it certainly did.

(53:11) And so it goes, and those-, that is where that 30% comes from. Now as far as I know there is no other group of manipulators who really with wide open eyes go looking at that floor of the pelvis and organizing it.

(53:34 student) The gynecologist certainly would do it

(53:40) Well they’re going to-, the osteopaths are going to-, I mean manipulators. The gynecologist, I can understand why they avoid it, but the manipulators there’s no excuse for their avoidance. There is an excuse. The excuse is that they just don’t want to get in this whole neurotic trip that you’re bound to get into when you get into this. You stir all kinds of things. In the males you stir anger more than anything else. But in the females you get all kinds of things. And this emotion just liberally runs around the place in the 4^th hour. You saw some of it running round here yesterday. Here you’ll see some more, I’m sure

(54:32) but it as though there is a cloud, a miasma of something that gets released as you organize that floor of the pelvis, and in accordance with what that miasma was when it settled in there originally, so will be the nature of it as it gets released. And as I say, it’s apt to be anger in males.

(54:55) I remember one time in New York when Dick was working on a man, don’t know whether it was a 4^th or a 5^th hour. And that man got so angry that he jumped up off the couch and started literally to fight with Dick; punch him. It so happened I was in the room, the man was a very good friend of mine, a personal friend, and I stepped between him, knowing he wouldn’t strike me. But he was that blindingly full of rage that he didn’t realize that he wasn’t in a present moment situation, but that this was the release of an old rage.

(55:35 student) and in the [ ], what did you say it was?

(55:38) you don’t get as much of this, but you get plenty of being picked on, you know, being-

(55:48 student) being put down?

(55:50) yea, well, just general resentment at your efforts, and so forth, and so forth

(56:00) So, it’s now 25 of 11. Who comes first, Bill?...

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